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Kirill

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Posted 1423710347	Reply with quote #1

I want to point out to some differences in UI comparing to previous versions. First - there are no more tabs below Layout Editor. All functionality you had there now is in the new rich Property Sheet. Full description of the Property Sheet is in the Part III of the Online help. Main highlights: DataSources tab -> Queries section of the property sheet. Query for the currently selected control is the first and has an asterisk. Click '...' and open Query Wizard which got additional steps Code tab -> Code Methods section - click '...' to open a code editor Formulas -> Actions section. Property sheet lists only applicable Formulas. You can see which one enabled and configured right on the property sheet. HTML tab -> button in the right top corner of the cell Right Click Styles -> Styles section - now you can see styles for cell, table, row all the time without the need to right click. Right Click Rename -> (ID) property in Control section. Also new section Button Actions lists three different dialogs to send email, redirect and perform other actions. All page and update panel related properties are always shown. hope that helps, let me know if there anything else that confuses you. Kirill

scrimej

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Posted 1423755490	Reply with quote #2

Kirill and the Iron Speed Team, So far I'm loving version 12. Even though things are moved here and there from prior versions it is very intuitive and I assume that was your goal all along. Another step forward for Iron Speed with another great release. Can't wait to see what you have in store for the future. Thanks, Jeremy

afisher

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Posted 1423757358	Reply with quote #3

Thanks so much for your kind words. Yes, one of our main goals in V12 was to simplify the user interface, and we have even more streamlining planned for the future! Best, Alan __________________ Alan Fisher Chairman Iron Speed, Inc. @afisher1024

JimiJ

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Posted 1424637789	Reply with quote #4

Code tab is great but why making overrides more difficult - backward: Jimi J __________________ Jaime Jegonia Iron Speed MVP Developer ". . . and whoever sows generously will also reap generously" 2 Cor 9:6

Kirill

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Posted 1424640376	Reply with quote #5

Jimi, Yes, we tried a lot of times and do not see any difference. Could you please explain what exactly you find different - more difficult?

JimiJ

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Posted 1424641325	Reply with quote #6

Hi Kirill, In version 11 and few versions backward, the moment you step in and add anything on those methods, they are already overridden. However, in ISD 12, whatever you add will disappear as you compiled them and the only way to override them is do manually as in the version 5 backward. __________________ Jaime Jegonia Iron Speed MVP Developer ". . . and whoever sows generously will also reap generously" 2 Cor 9:6

Kirill

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Posted 1424641716	Reply with quote #7

Jimi, No I can't confirm that. Whatever I change and click OK get saved and automatically creates new overriding method in Section 1 which stays there after the build. I can't reproduce behavior you reporting. Something should be different about your code. Could you please open the case so we can investigate? So far in my case code gets overridden in Section one and saved exactly as before.

JimiJ

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Posted 1424652209	Reply with quote #8

Ohh I see! I missed the Click OK button which is indeed a great enhancement to prevent inadvertent changes. Thanks Kirill. __________________ Jaime Jegonia Iron Speed MVP Developer ". . . and whoever sows generously will also reap generously" 2 Cor 9:6

tristan

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Posted 1427288080	Reply with quote #9

I like how the interface is more compact but at the same time it has made things harder/longer to get to examples below. I'm not enjoying the font or font size, it's ridiculously small on my 28in UHD monitor. Being on a large screen, I now have to move the mouse all the way over the other side and then back and then back etc. This promotes RSI and is also time consuming. The previous interface was also more visual. Here is the databases, here is code snippets, and you could click through on these and see the code and see and applied where statements etc. Am I the only person that thinks these changes are counter intuitive?? Also the little HTML editor, I'm not sure about the rest of the people, but I rarely go a session without modifying font size/colour other little bits of html etc to do with a field. The popup box, is rather annoying you have to move away from what you are doing to get to it. Being a Visual Editor, it seems a bit of a step back, moving these easy to view parts away? __________________ http://www.auzsolutions.com.au

afisher

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Posted 1427297785	Reply with quote #10

Tristan, if you have a large monitor, then you might find it more convenient to open the HTML Editor, Code Editor, and Formula Editor and park them permanently on your screen. As you move from cell to cell in the Layout Editor, these windows automatically update. This actually requires fewer clicks than in earlier versions because you don't have to click the different tabs -- everything is always visible. Hope this helps... __________________ Alan Fisher Chairman Iron Speed, Inc. @afisher1024

scrimej

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Posted 1427299901	Reply with quote #11

Hi Alan, Helpful reply, however this might be a good candidate for a video. I can manually open an HTML Editor by clicking on the Edit HTML button that appears within each cell. As I moved around, it did update based on the cell I was in. However the other 2 (Code Editor and Formula Editor) I am drawing a blank on how to open them within designer. A search within the online help for Code Editor, Formula Editor, HTML Editor, and Editor returns several topics on HTML Editor. I wasn't able to find any help on the Code Editor or Formula Editor. It's probably right in front of me an easy I just don't see it right now. Thanks, Jeremy

afisher

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Posted 1427305159	Reply with quote #12

Jeremy, you can open the Code Editor and Formula Editors from the Property Sheet. Start by selecting a control in the Layout Editor. Then, go to the Property Sheet and open the Code Editor for one of the code methods in the Code Methods section and / or the Formula Editor for one of the actions in the Action section. __________________ Alan Fisher Chairman Iron Speed, Inc. @afisher1024

pkoutoul

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Posted 1427305446	Reply with quote #13

Very helpful information, Alan. I had already done this with the solution explorer and property sheets, undocking them and moving them to my second monitor. Now I need a third monitor for the browser... __________________ Pete Koutoulas • Fayette County Public Schools • Lexington, KY

afisher

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Posted 1427306396	Reply with quote #14

Yes, most of Designer's various editors are 'stand alone' now, including Code Editor, Formula Editor, HTML Editor, and Code Documentation Viewer. You can open them all and leave them open as you work in Layout Editor. They all update as you move from control to control. We call this our 'Insane Mode', and we realize this may be too powerful for many of you at first. So we recommend you just open one or two windows, get used to that, and then gradually add others. Driving at 160 MPH can be uncomfortable at first, so it's best to work your way up. __________________ Alan Fisher Chairman Iron Speed, Inc. @afisher1024

Gerard

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Posted 1427314813	Reply with quote #15

the only problem is ISD doesn't remember where you placed them and the sizing on restart you need to reposition each time see my bug - feature request Gerard I am having to do this regularly as ISD quick layout has a bug some where and keeps crashing But I haven't been able to isolate to an event or group of events to report it Gerard

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