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I was able to get the link for a $100 discount on the CodeOnTime product.  Here is the link: http://codeontime.com/presentation-promo-201544  .  Better than no discount, I guess.
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(Note:  These are my own opinions after using COT for a couple of hours, a lot of google searches, and watching COT videos.  I'm by no means an expert at COT)

I downloaded COT and was able to generate a simple application against one of my tables fairly easily.

I have to agree with Miles.  It does generate responsive pages that rearrange the fields based on available real estate.  Which is really very nice.  Same for generating mobile pages.

What you lose for that feature is the ability to customize the form yourself.  To add your own button next to a field and do some code when pressed looked to be at least a 4 step process (create a custom control object, add to the list of fields, click on edit in VS, edit the form in VS, write the code in VS).  

In Iron Speed you can just drag the button from the toolbox, click customize, and write directly in designer.

I could not find anything about having a "table in table" (or even drop a table into a showrecord form) where you can just drag a related table and drop it in a cell.  Again, you'd have to create the custom form and do everything in VS (about a 10 step process because you have to crate the data view objects as well as all the above steps).  

Here's an unanswered question in their own forum about creating a "copy record" button.  3 people asking, no answer after a year:

http://community.codeontime.com/codeontime/topics/how-to-create-custom-action-button-on-editform-that-opens-createform-with-copied-fields

It does have some really impressive business logic handling though.

I may experiment some more or dive off the (really) deep end and jump to MVC (COT admittedly still uses WebForms).  

Hope this helps,


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Miles, well said and I agree with your assessment 100%.  

"Think of him like Kirill speaking, except with 12 cups of coffee or so.  He spoke way too fast and I could barely understand him." 

I about fell on the floor laughing when I read that, so true.

Bryan, one of my major drawbacks with CodeOnTime was reiterated in your statement:
"What you lose for that feature is the ability to customize the form yourself."

Other things I am not feeling good about with CodeOnTime are as you say the unanswered or poorly answered questions.

A few examples of questions I've asked that I have not satisfactorily gotten an answer on:
1) Transactions - I was basically told they don't handle transactions and don't cache data.  Re-computing Stephanie
2) I asked about schema changes and also about having to update your projects each time a new release appears (this seems rather frequent).  They replied asking me to change my development style and reduce the number of databases and apps I create in order to work better with their model.  Don't expect any great migration to happen.  Iron Speed got better with this over the years to a point where I trusted migrating applications to the latest version.

Please correct me on any inaccuracies with COT but essentially what Miles and Bryan said is pretty spot on.




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Hello
I think "codeontime" despite what they say are also in the scope of the patent attack.
Best regards.

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OK, I have been over this 100 times. I need to replace Iron Speed.

I have looked really closely at CodeOnTime, Alpha Anywhere and ASPRunner.net.

As of this posting, I am leaning towards Alpha Anywhere and ASPRunner.Net. CodeOnTime is much to flaky. I can't trust it. The UI is very nice, but that is it as far as I am concerned. Whereas ASPRunner.Net simply works and is supported by a very dedicated group of people who I spoke to directly. Alpha Anywhere offers so much and I see a place for that for more complex/public facing mobile and tablet applications. Plus the offline capabilities with mobile is awesome.

So, for me it looks as though it will take 2 products to replace Iron Speed.

Final decision will be made in a month or so.

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Just a quick note on CodeOnTime. When I said flaky, I was referring to my experience only. The product itself is very impressive. I just had trouble with it. It is definitely something you should all explore.
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Guys,
LOL about speaking like Kirill but with 12 cups of coffee. I can imagine.
I actually did quite a bit of investigation recently and COT was not on the top, nowhere near, actually. The code they generate is not MVC or something clean, not much you can reconfigure as well, no SP...
My choice would be ASPRunner. Given that their interface looks outdated, but generated code is clean and structured and overall looks very nice.
My only regret, albeit a rather big one, is that we did not have time to finish v13. It was in works and it was supposed to generate clean MVC 6 (yes, not 5, but 6) .NET 5, fully responsive pages,  install/deploy anywhere, front end AngularJS, backend MVC. It was so good, I mean applications we took as model to generate, I was real sad it did not worked out. If we had a chance, that would be by far the best RAD tool hands down.
Oh well...
It was nice working with you all.
Looking for a job now and nothing excites me like v13 was [smile]
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I haven't given ASPRunner a fair look so take my comments as such.

My main drawback with them was separate products for different modules, i.e. mobile, invoice, etc.  While they are extremely inexpensive I don't want to get into a modular nightmare.

Also, what differentiates what they do from Iron Speed?  If very little, why are they not subject to the Patent Troll?

Perhaps I'll give them a look this week and address some of my concerns.
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Dangit Kirill,

Now you're making me cry...



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My only regret, albeit a rather big one, is that we did not have time to finish v13. It was in works and it was supposed to generate clean MVC 6 (yes, not 5, but 6) .NET 5, fully responsive pages,  install/deploy anywhere, front end AngularJS, backend MVC. It was so good, I mean applications we took as model to generate, I was real sad it did not worked out. If we had a chance, that would be by far the best RAD tool hands down.


Talk about rubbing salt in the wound. Ouch! 

Best of luck in the job hunt. 

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Jeremy, regarding ASPRunner.Net, there isn't really modules. They do sell modules to purchase (pre-made applications), but you can build your own quite easily. The mobile UI needs some sprucing up, which they are working on now. It is kind of like ISD, where you decide if you want mobile pages. If so, you can customize the mobile page version or simply let the software do it for you. This product is very easy to use and very customizable. Maybe Kirill will join their team [smile].
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+1 Kirill, I'd like to see the ISD MVC! 
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Guys,
Looking for a job now and nothing excites me like v13 was [smile]


Well, can I/We hire you to complete 13? [smile] Seriously.
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+1...we can call it V13
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Kirill, could you email me directly please.
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