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RickReiter

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Thanks for all the insights, Phil.  Certainly didn't think of this approach myself.  With this approach you are essentially using ISD as a familiar ORM, aren't you?  One with a robust and familiar business layer as well.

I'll have to give this a try.



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Rick,

               

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With this approach you are essentially using ISD as a familiar ORM, aren't you?

                In short yes.

                I wouldn’t use this approach as a permanent solution going forward but as a stop-gap while moving to or exploring another platform where there is some compatibility between the layers.

                The idea for this approach was because of Miles comment above about spending a lot of time learning MVC then only to be taken over by another preferred technology. This option gives anyone the ability to explore asp.net MVC without the commitment to build out a complete stack.

                I think Miles comments reflect a lot of developers concerns who have been using the MS stack. In light of the recent announcement where Universal Windows Platform will support React Native. It might appear javascript everywhere is a winning combination. I wouldn’t take this as the final word either because it appears MS is staking a lot of claims in many different development fronts. Take the recent purchase of Xamarin. The opportunities for a developer/ISV are great but the challenges are also, especially for smaller shops building boutique applications.


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For anyone looking to create custom applications in the mobile world this might be an option; https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/ . I’ve just started looking at it but it seems pretty nice. There is a little more work to do if you’re looking to include your own api otherwise there are a lot of data sources included with the base.

I’d like to know if anyone else has used it and what are your thoughts.


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Hi Phil,

Thanks for your great suggestion of using ISD for creating data and business objects in an MVC app.

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This is a drop dead simple way of getting into asp.net mvc using some of your existing IS knowledge. If you want to continue further I’ll show you how easy it is to use the data in a view.


I am really interested if you can show how to use data in a view.

Thanks,

John
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John,

Sorry for the late reply. I don't check the form much anymore and I don't pay attention to these pinned items at all so I didn't see your post. I'm traveling now but I'll put some thing together for you soon.

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Great Phil I look forward to seeing how you do it. I have just begun experimenting with MVC. I take it that for each entity, a controller has to use the entity framework to connect to the ISD business object to get the data to populate the model that is bound to the view? I have searched for examples of MVC apps that use business objects in this way but not found anything helpful. 

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I think there are other ORM choices, like LightSpeedSolutions and so on. I don't believe you are stuck with the Entity Framework as your only choice.

FWIW,

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Why could Iron Speed Designer not be just put out to Open Source? That would allow the product to continue and MVP's to make enhancements to it and also be a bit of a slap in the face to the patent troll...


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That question was asked when all of this came down. The answer was something about it wouldn't be fair to all of the users that paid for licenses.

I really can't afford to change at this point so open sourcing would be ideal and allow the product to continue to progress. That is assuming there are still enough of us using it to make that possible.

My opinion is that the whole licensing argument became moot as soon as they closed down. There would be some who didn't like it but I'm sure the majority would have been enthusiastically in favor of the product continuing and jump in to make it happen.

It is probably time for those involved to rethink that stand.

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Hi Ironspeeders,

Couple of questions for the group regarding ISD Licensing

1.  Do we know who the Licensing Server organization is?
2.  Do we know when ISD license expires there and are there different dates based on versions?  
            If not there is a huge need for "a Date" to help[ us make informed decisions and alleviate a lot of stress/fear.
3.  If expiration date is near then can we as a group (or individually) pay to extend our individual license end dates?
These are critical to making decisions as to which legacy apps need to be rebuilt.

4.  Re: Other tools for new projects.  Does anyone have any experience or input with the SyncFusion product suite.  Looking at them along with the other usual suspects: Infragistics, DevExpress, Telerik.  Pricing is why I'm taking a hard look at SyncFusion as their Suite price is revenue based... aka affordable for startups or low revenue orgs. 

thanks everyone
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Good morning,

Read on a competitor's forum site rumor that Iron Speed is planing a comeback. 

Any truth to that rumor?

I'm guessing will not be called IronSpeed and/or part of the company as it should be defunct. 
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What was the competitor site?
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Genial if true
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I've been been using IS for years for business applications and ERP interfaces. All my clients want speed. They say they also want a serviceable platform....but they ALWAYS want it now. Time to publish to the IIS server is king. With that said, I still use IS, as there is nothing out there that even comes close to a rolling out a product quickly. As long as IS apps can be opened and updated in VS I'm fine. If they decide to reopen, I will be one of the first in line to sign back up. 
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Yes, it certainly had some great features. This kind of product is always in demand, it just needs to be kept up to date with new technology which is moving fast.

Look forward to hearing more!

Ps I am still actively supporting and developing Iron Speed Designer so if you need help with your project, or support (all versions - I've been using it for 12 years or so) I offer pay as you go or yearly options which are very popular to keep your projects working an on top form, get in touch!

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