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Kirill

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Guys,
We are thinking of improving reporting capability of Designer. Can you describe how you would like to see it? Namely:

1.      Do you need reports that have a completely different layout(and data) than what you have on existing pages?  Or, do want report layouts that match existing pages in your application?

2.      Would you prefer a separate report designer?  If so, what would be the “must have” features for this report designer?

3.      What are you most commonly trying to accomplish with reporting in your Iron Speed Applications?

4.      What are you using now for reporting?  Iron Speed Designer reporting or third party reporting tools?  Likes/dislikes?

 

5.      What is the most important feature or aspect of reporting functionality in your applications?

Basically we are trying to figure out which route to choose: integrate some 3d party software with a separate designer which will require creating report in this designer from scratch OR improving capabilities of Designer to the extent that the page could be converted in pdf/word file as is almost WYSIWYG with obvious changes to remove filter or search or menu controls.

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My comments

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Do you need reports that have a completely different layout(and data) than what you have on existing pages?  Or, do want report layouts that match existing pages in your application?

Bit of both - sometimes need as per screen and sometimes need Grouped reports / PIVOT reports.

2.      Would you prefer a separate report designer?  If so, what would be the “must have” features for this report designer?

Separate - must have PIVOT / embedded images - output to Word / PDF

3.      What are you most commonly trying to accomplish with reporting in your Iron Speed Applications?

Export to PDF / Word with embedded images.

4.      What are you using now for reporting?  Iron Speed Designer reporting or third party reporting tools?  Likes/dislikes?

DEVEXPRESS XtraReports as the primary solution. Also use Izenda (for a total BI solution)

If you could do what XtraReports does but linked to ISD Data Access then I think that ticks a lots of boxes. Ultimately I want to put the report design in the hands of the user and that is where Izenda comes in but it is very expensive.



5.      What is the most important feature or aspect of reporting functionality in your applications?


Flexibility / ease of use. Ideally allow the user to configure / publish reports.

Basically we are trying to figure out which route to choose: integrate some 3d party software with a separate designer which will require creating report in this designer from scratch OR improving capabilities of Designer to the extent that the page could be converted in pdf/word file as is almost WYSIWYG with obvious changes to remove filter or search or menu controls.

Hope that helps.

ISD is great - personally I want to see the Native Mobile App brought from the Road Map into reality - this opens up more options and means I can do all my development in one platform.

It would be really good to put some dates to the Road Map - even if its Spring 2015 - something is better than nothing.

All the best,


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Our wish list for reports:

- Stored or storable in database table.

- Definible list of parameters, to be filled by user (Basically textBoxes, Date/Calendar, droplists) which serve to set up filters or conditional evaluation.

- Definible columns (with formulas) and multiple grouping. End User can select which columns to include.

- Ability to include sub-reports.

We're currently using an in-house solution which render reports as HTML output. Many of the above mentioned features are already working, albeit a bit crude.
PDF or MS Office output would be nice too. Layout is almost always different from working pages.

Hope this helps,

Juanro



 

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Our wish list for reports:
 
- Definible list of parameters, to be filled by user which serve to set up filters or conditional evaluation.
 
- Definible columns (with formulas) and multiple grouping. End User can select which columns to include.
 
- Ability to include sub-reports.
 
- Ultimately we want to put the report design in the hands of the user.
 
 
We're currently using CRYSTAL REPORT.

All the best.
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Can we have enhanced word / pdf reports using drag and drop panels as used in the rest of ISD. Plus things like watermarks and easy page numbering etc for invoice runs and other things. A series of wizards may be a good idea. currently the print report does a bit of what is required. A review of the competing products and toolkits will throw up many ideas for making a great product.
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My comments:

1.      Do you need reports that have a completely different layout(and data) than what you have on existing pages?  Or, do want report layouts that match existing pages in your application?

Agree a bit of both, but I see reports as a specific function often demanded by managers / non-technical users who need clear and concise presentation of data, that is also well presented. So generally I am looking for a completely different layout. 

2.      Would you prefer a separate report designer?  If so, what would be the “must have” features for this report designer?

Embed images/ graphs (data driven). Ability to pre filter with parameters. Good layout control and PDF / Excel / Word export.

3.      What are you most commonly trying to accomplish with reporting in your Iron Speed Applications?

Data presentation to managers.

4.      What are you using now for reporting?  Iron Speed Designer reporting or third party reporting tools?  Likes/dislikes?

MS Reporting services. Good control, but time to create and embed in Ironspeed applications is a pain. Often I need a relatively simple set of reports. Ideally Ironspeed offer ability to create quick well presented (but perhaps relatively simple control) combined with easy reporting services integration. We need to use VisualStudio anyway, so why not use tools available there to extend further? I also use Syncfusion tools to help with output. Again the time taken to manage the integration is a pain. We use Ironspeed for the speed (and reliability) after all!
 

5.      What is the most important feature or aspect of reporting functionality in your applications?

Flexibility and ease of integration. If I could generate a reporting interface in ISD which does all the required integration / data hookups and then be able to use VS to enhance, that would be  a great solution for me. 

Agree with davisnowens, would love to see anticipated road-map for this feature.

Thanks!

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1.      Do you need reports that have a completely different layout(and data) than what you have on existing pages?  Or, do want report layouts that match existing pages in your application?

As others have said, a bit of both.  Sometimes a simple dump of the data is ok, but more often than not there are groupings, pivots, customizations, and pre-defined layouts that need to be created in order to satisfy the customer needs.

2.      Would you prefer a separate report designer?  If so, what would be the “must have” features for this report designer?

I don't think you can build a one solution fits all application generator and report writer but I could be wrong.  Must have features would be grouping, matrix style reports.  Not a must have but certainly a very nice feature would be an easy way to do a word merge within the application.  Currently we export the file, open word and do the merge.  

3.      What are you most commonly trying to accomplish with reporting in your Iron Speed Applications?

Presenting information to decision makers that summarizes the input collected by the system.  Also creating quarterly reports, budget reports, and pre-defined State required reports.

4.      What are you using now for reporting?  Iron Speed Designer reporting or third party reporting tools?  Likes/dislikes?

      SQL Server Reporting Services.  Overall, this tool is fantastic.  The only issue we have at the current time is that when using the embedded report viewer it does not display properly in non IE browsers.  I've found some workarounds but believe a report writer should be able to render in any browser.

5.      What is the most important feature or aspect of reporting functionality in your applications?

Basically we are trying to figure out which route to choose: integrate some 3d party software with a separate designer which will require creating report in this designer from scratch OR improving capabilities of Designer to the extent that the page could be converted in pdf/word file as is almost WYSIWYG with obvious changes to remove filter or search or menu controls.

I don't think the functionality to convert a page to pdf/word as is would be adequate for a replacement reporting solution.  It would handle simple reports, but powerful reporting tools offer paging, grouping, sub-totaling, matrix/pivot reports.


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My company currently using SSRS/Stored Procedure for reporting with Iron Speed applications.  It works however it required some code customizations and additional deployment setup of SSRS requirements on the web server for this to work.  It would be supper useful if Iron Speed includes the Report engine that can create common printable formatted reporting needs, e.g. Letter, simple business forms, management reports. 

Current Iron Speed's "report" option by creating a Show page and export the Data to Excel, Csv etc. doesn't serve our client needs due to lack of formatting and printable e.g. Report title, Group by, Sub-total, etc.  We truly hope Iron Speed include the Report to make it a truly great RAD tool for developers. 

Thank you for a great product and we hope to see the true Reporting feature soon.

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Why re-invent the wheel?  If you can get a 3rd party tool to work with Iron Speed that seems to be a smart choice to me.

I use Fast-Reports with Iron Speed.


1.  Yes.  Different layout.  

2.  Yes.  It has a separate designer which is very handy for laying out the reports.  The report template files are just .xml files you can view/edit by hand.  Or store in your database field and load into the runtime.

3.  Mapping, images, "pretty" output to .pdf

4.  Fast-Reports.  No dislikes.  :-)  It's not expensive.  Easy to set up (unlike CR).  Easy to pass parameters/security (unlike SSRS).  Can use formulas in text fields, exactly like Iron Speed.

You can place code directly in the template file with C# or VB to handle events.

5.  Exporting to PDF for client download.


It should  be possible to automatically create the Fast-Report template .xml from a show table page, even to passing filter parameters and sorting.   Then the report could be customized in the FR designer.
 


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Juanro

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Bryan,

Got a link? Thank

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Juanro,


http://www.fast-report.com/en/

I did a video on how to use with Iron Speed:

http://www.ironspeed.com/videos/BryanPatrick/V100.Using-FastReports-with-Iron-Speed-Designer.aspx



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I have only one wish; WYSIWYG on master detail pages. Anyway, I'm comfortable and highly efficient using Telerik Reporting.

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Kirill,

My wish: data driven graphs; embeded images are a must.

Would hyperlinked images be possible?

Cheers,

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1.      Do you need reports that have a completely different layout(and data) than what you have on existing pages?  Or, do want report layouts that match existing pages in your application?

I think different layout will be more valuable,  In most cases the data like "Active, Added By,...." displayed in the page, but clients request to be removed form the exported reports layout.

2.      Would you prefer a separate report designer?  If so, what would be the “must have” features for this report designer?

Yes, I prefer separate report designer, with basic features for data selecting, grouping, and fields style properties.  I think if it works like the same way as the current page designer, it will be perfect.

3.      What are you most commonly trying to accomplish with reporting in your Iron Speed Applications?

In my case, most of application was financial and management systems. Unfortunately with current ISD reports not a big help and just used to exports data lists(with customization) , and for most reports I use SSRS.

4.      What are you using now for reporting?  Iron Speed Designer reporting or third party reporting tools?  Likes/dislikes?

Now I use SSRS, it is great specially with complex and huge data reports. 

 

5.      What is the most important feature or aspect of reporting functionality in your applications?

Layout customization and performance.

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Hi

In my opinion, the show tables created by ISD are good.
However, the major drawback is inability to make 
And / Or queries in the Query Wizard.

If ISD can simplify and let developers create any number of
And / Or clauses within the same wizard UI it will be a fantastic
solution.

This will solve most of the issues in selection/filtering.

regards
Krishna

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